Learn all the important stuff about handgunswith none of the attitude. I would recommend a Bersa to anyone entering the world of Concealed Carry. Love the sig p238 tried the lcp gave to my brother. Another thing: With me the 40 S&W caliber is, also, out. It's the bullet that hits the bad guy, not the gun. Other places have it, online, for near that price, maybe at that price if you look harder than I just did, but I've not seen one for less. Glad to hear it working out for you, Guy! Far superior in almost every way (great sights, for example (lifelong soldier and combat vet; got to have useable sights, no matter what Im shooting)). These write ups for .380 always list guns like the P238, colt mustang, etc.without explaining the issues with carrying SA only pistol (especially in a pocket). While I do find it accurate it is NOT fun to shoot. I have a plain gray/black one, but whatever melts your butter. For about $230-250 new, you could do worse. The new LCP II has a light very crisp awesome trigger for a small .380. Hard to believe you put the Kahr on a top 5 list. (might even have been me Limp wristing it) but still it should cycle And the trigger is probably the LONGEST trigger EVER. Really surprised the Browning 1911 .380 didn't make the Top 5. I could go on and on. I shot a few hundred rounds of the various shelf ammo available so now I can say I'm used to it. NOW that's a 380!!! You forgot to mention the Bersa Thunder 380. The reason is simple - it's extremely small and versatile. I just purchased a S&W Bodyguard ($50 manufacturer's rebate through June). I came to this article specifically to learn about the LCPIIs reliability after my experience with one at the range this afternoon. A very fine pistol. Solid stainless to reduce felt recoil and improve longevity, but only 19 oz. Page. Forget the Ruger LCP's, reliable until they are not. 5 Worst Guns for Beginners (And Some Good Ones) Its also a sleek, well built little pistol with no rough protrusions that virtually disappears in your pocket. Here's the link https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nycYxb-zNwc&index=48&t=0s&list=WL Has anyone found something that works reliably. I have over 5.000 rounds of mixed ammo through one of them and over 1,000 rounds through the other. In this review, we will cover the disadvantages of the .380 pistol that the LCP II sought to remedy, what makes the LCP II an improvement over the original LCP, and the uses for and specifications of the LCP II. I always thought I needed to carry a 9 or 45 now I know I don't. I get it you are thinking "carry the 9mm", but I like the lighter weight and low recoil of 380. so I need all 6 of 380 on target to make a stop, no problem, we practice constantly and hopefully I can do that, as shot placement is king. Model D serial numbers started with the characters "CPA". Jams Precision One. Hey Glenn, thanks for writing in! As far as the nature of .380, I have always considered it adequate. I believe its foolish and only going to get your ass shot by LE. I thought this would be a good combo for the lady, but she has had difficulty using it on the range. It just falls into your pocket. With the after rebate price, it was just too good to pass up. Comfortable for pocket quick to aim and easy to hit your target. I have both the kahr and the Sig . As the article notes: Practice, Practice, Practice! I recently looked at the ammo testing done by Shooting the Bull. If a shooter can keep his first three shots inside a nice tight 4 - 6 inch circle @ COM, and do this consistently from a minimum of 7 1/2 - 8 yards, then, yes, hell have a viable chance of surviving an armed attack unscathed; however, its been my general experience that most people who are foolish enough to buy a 380 Auto for personal (walk around) protection, in the first place, are almost invariably too anemic in their pistol shooting skills to consistently hit COM well enough to guarantee their own survival; (and I watch dozens of people shot all different sorts of pistols every month.) Other things I didn't like. But it is accurate and true and the cost is $350. While I dont personally own one, Ive fired my fair share and can say that they are reliable and accurate. I'm returning to shooting after a near 40yr layoff, and find the Kimber handles nicely. I strongly disagree with your top 5 the Bersa Thunder 380 should have right there at the top. Just enough meat on it to feel right and give you something to hold on to, but still in a sub-compact footprint for CCW. For me, it is the Mercedes Benz of hand guns. My only complaint on this gun was the sights, which I easily remedied by installing a laser on the lower rail. Should be on the list! I currently own a S&W Shield, but need something much much smaller to wear on my ankle without moving down to a .22. While size really isn't that much of a issue for me, as I carry my Glock 20 10mm quite often, the P238 is easy to pop into a pocket when I'm in a hurry. In the rotation is the LCP 2 and the G42. has put a many people under in the world and was the sidearm of many law enforcement agencies in the U.S. for several decades. Note: DOES NOT FIT Glock 43, Ruger LC380, and other larger frame 380's. Got three of them, one of which is an initial commemorative model (still in box, never fired). It's certainly uglier and much more expensive. In a real world gun fight capacity rules over caliber. If you plan to use it, train with it often. Bersa Thunder 5. Recently helped my niece choose one for herself and budget was part of the equation and she ended up with a Springfield Armory model 911 in .380 and she absolutely loves it - and says it is easy for her to use, load and maintain. I've had the Kahr CW380's big brother the CT380 for about a year. IWB in a Multihoster or a Remora (works for pocket, too), it hides very well. Looking to replace it with something more reliable. The ballistics testing of some of the newer Plus P ammo from Buffalo Bore and Underwood put the 380 round pretty close to regular 9mm ammo. It's tough growing old, but it does beat the alternative. (As a 31-year Army combat vet I appreciate decent sights; yes, even on a pistol that is generally considered a "short range" solution.) Click below for a FREE LESSON! As a side note, during the interim and before I found ammo that would feed consistently I purchased a Ruger LCRx in .38spl. Simply put, the best .380 ACP gun/ammunition combination cannot begin to match a plain S&W M10 with a 4" barrel and high-performance +P ammunition. I acquired two pinky extended mags, and applied my requisite Talon grips. Penetration is iffy, as is expansion. Also, I never carry a handgun in my pocket. Page Back Page Next. Not going to cycle (read) all these awesome responses to this well written article except to say that if a woman like my wife showed me the barrel of her 380 and hit me with a couple-three rounds -- I would be one hurting unhappy camper. During decades with firepower sitting in my nightstand, I never ended up frightened enough to hide 2lb of steel on my person at all times. Both are very easy to conceal and I never doubted the reliability should I ever need to use either. The current third generation of Rugers great LCP seriesthe LCP Max is what our editor Eric carries while in athletic gear. Like you said the safety is difficult to disengage but with the double action trigger and long trigger pull I feel comfortable carrying with the safety off. I have some arthritis in my hands and find that the LCP II kind of beats them up. I simply bought it because of its price (too low to mention??? Personally, I like the Bersa Thunder .380 plus. I'm sure it is because the rental wasn't maintained well. (Takedown all 3 of these guns and you'll see why. I know, Taurus, but it is what it is. This Is the Deadly .380 Pocket Rocket That Everyone Should Fear Check out our Best Places to Buy Ammo Online or jump straight to .380 ACP self-defense rounds. Prior to purchasing mine, I surveyed the field and was sure to check out almost all the popular options on the market, including all of those listed here with the exception of the Bersa and Kahr (the S&W EZ .380 came out after I bought my 911.) You missed It in your review but it is mechanically similar, but smaller than the non CC (conceal carry) model. I carry it in a de Santis pocket holster, condition one, so I have 8 plus a spare 7 round mag. )its features and..how it looked. But despite those advantages, .380 pocket pistols have also been plagued by a number of downsides. For the short test, out of box function and flexibility of this gun is fine. trigger!!!!!! Neither would I want my pistol's barrel to be anything less than 4 inches in length. Opens up a little bit more at 10 yards. I re-size my 380 ACP rounds so there fit more into the chamber. The 380 EZ solves this problem, by putting the .380 round in the same size of pistol as the standard M&P Shield, one of the best and most popular carry guns on the market. Having more gun to hold on to helps you get better control of the gun. And that is why you need a gun that can handle a lot of ammo down range. I also carry the Sig 938, which is almost as good to shoot as the little one. Slide it on your waist band or pocket and you almost forget it's there, so I carry it all the time. And yes, Pocket guns require diligent training. I have had several .380 pistols, and currently have a Sig P238 that I really like. . It has a clever two-piece firing pin; the safety rotates half of it 90 degrees so the gun cannot fire. I know it's not going to accidentally go off unless I intend it to. Use Winchester FMJ for practice and Speer Gold Dot HP for carry. Ruger LCP II 3. One of the best concealed weapons out there is the 380 pistol. I have several pistols chambered for .380. Like the Sig, the 911 is all metal and the fit and finish are excellent. A little pricey, but very accurate, no malfunctions, has tritium night sights, and a real pleasure to shoot. I think the human interface of the grip and trigger is different with each individual shooter. Loved it . (I preferred to use it on woodchucks, however, out to 100 yards, with a good Leupold scope and a .22 Hornet barrel.) (Makes the "Judge" seem crude by comparison!). Yes there is a difference but not enough to be an issue. agree totally with yu chris,, retired police,, had 40 cal. I highly recommend the LCP as an everyday carry. Pocket carry brings up a very specific need and a very specific gun, in my opinion. Of course, being retired I wear loose fitting cargo pocket pants/shorts. Peepew tends ro regurgitate older reviews and most likely the Sig wasn't available when the review was conducted. Of course, like all good husbands, i shoot her handguns too.to keep them running. The LCP-II and LCP Max are very lightweight and have decent triggers. 1 jam in the UC ii and 0 in the micro 9 both with 500 rounds through. This is a great gun with excellent sights for both day and night. The Pearce grip extensions help with control. I have taken the module out and battened down the hatches that covers it, securing the screw with blue lock Tite.. The only other rental gun Ive shot (ironically, another Ruger: the LC9S at a different range) had no misfires, so Im not completely down on Ruger. Hey, I understand! So don't underestimate the power of calibers starting with 3. Do the tests, try out your piece with everything. I just recently purchased the SW M&P .380 EZ which is also sweet. I have cleaned it once. There are two primary uses for the LCP II: concealed carry and/or as a back-up pistol. Why? Because, over the years, Ive watched a very great number of pistol shooters OUTGUN THEMSELVES by trying to shoot a 40 caliber pistol consistently and well. What do you, or you guys, think about 380 caliber gun( converted zoraki) with extended mag? I sold my Ruger LCP (original model) and bought the Glock 42. LMAO. Pocket carry cocked and locked. Decent groups, although early on, I was working out my shooting kinks. While a CZ PCR is my main carry, the PPK/s get the nod when the summer arrives. While the LCP II will accept the same 6 round magazines as the original LCP, it also will not slide lock on the last round with those magazines because they were not designed to do so. Here are the SCCY advantages: I saw it looked well made with a laser which I feel is only an extra. We can learn from trying different stances, but none is perfect or "THE" answer.
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